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Creo que ya lo planteé hace algún tiempo, pero no hubo una respuesta satisfactoria. Este artículo no cita ninguna fuente que respalde la afirmación de que Robeson es un bajo-barítono. Él se describe a sí mismo como un bajo y suena perfectamente como un bajo. En su audición con HUAC, dice: " Soy un cantante de bajo , así que para mí era Chaliapin, el gran bajo ruso, no Caruso, el tenor".

Se supone que un "bajo-barítono" posee cualidades tanto de un bajo como de un barítono. Su voz carece por completo de cualquier cualidad de barítono. Su sonido es oscuro y denso hasta sus notas más altas. Por ejemplo, en su interpretación de Old Man River en Carnegie, su nota más alta es re4 (a los 2 minutos), y todavía tiene claramente el timbre de un bajo incluso en lo más alto de su rango. No suena como un barítono en absoluto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7oAn4Pydpo

¿Existe alguna fuente confiable que clasifique a los cantantes clásicos y que pueda usarse para Robeson? ¿Podrían usarse sus propias palabras en la audiencia del HUAC? — Comentario anterior sin firmar agregado por XBiophagex (discusión • contribuciones ) 11:26, 23 de febrero de 2019 (UTC) [ responder ]

Ahora me doy cuenta de que estoy retomando este tema después de un intervalo de cuatro años. Recientemente, Pincrete me corrigió cuando cambié la descripción de la voz de Robeson en la primera oración del solo de "bajo-barítono" a "bajo" . Pincrete tenía razón técnicamente según los estándares de Wikipedia porque la voz de Robeson se describe como bajo-barítono en el cuerpo del artículo según fuentes confiables (algo que debería haber notado en primer lugar). Sin duda, también se podrían encontrar fuentes confiables que lo describan como un bajo en lugar de como un bajo-barítono. Sin embargo, en la práctica, sería difícil encontrar un profesor de canto alrededor de 2023 que describiera su voz como una especie de barítono. Definitivamente era un bajo. Howard Keel era un bajo-barítono, Paul Robeson era un bajo. También era, por supuesto, un "cantante de concierto" , y eso es lo que sugiero que lo llamemos ahora en el solo. De lo contrario, estamos engañando al lector. Podemos ocuparnos de la descripción de la voz en el cuerpo del artículo más adelante. Goodtablemanners ( discusión ) 23:44 4 feb 2023 (UTC) [ responder ]

Personalmente, yo también lo habría considerado un bajo, pero Brittanica dice que "Robeson tenía una voz de bajo-barítono soberbia". Una vieja discusión en el New York Times dice que él mismo afirmaba ser barítono, aunque solo puedo leer unos 5 segundos de eso ($$). La mayoría de las demás fuentes musicales parecen decir también bajo-barítono. Artista de conciertos bien puede haber sido el término contemporáneo para describirlo, pero tal vez suene "anticuado" ahora. Pincrete ( discusión ) 00:52 5 feb 2023 (UTC) [ responder ]

Preferiría "cantante de conciertos" a "artista de conciertos", puede que ambos sean anticuados, pero no creo que haya nada de malo en utilizar los términos que eran comunes en esa época. En realidad, su descripción como bajo-barítono puede tener algo que ver con las convenciones de su época. Los bajos en la ópera tendían a tener papeles poco heroicos, por lo que la descripción de Robeson como bajo-barítono podría haber sido en parte para suavizar esta imagen. Sin embargo, como dije, definitivamente era un verdadero bajo. Nada de esto merece entrar en una acalorada discusión. Saludos. Goodtablemanners ( discusión ) 01:26 5 feb 2023 (UTC) [ responder ]

¿Es este un tema de interés general que se debería incluir? Referencias en este artículo: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-celebrity-scientist-albert-einstein-used-fame-denounce-american-racism-180962356/

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Puede ver el motivo de la eliminación en la página de descripción del archivo vinculada anteriormente. — Community Tech bot ( discusión ) 14:07, 23 de febrero de 2023 (UTC) [ responder ]

¿Puede citarse una cifra más fidedigna como referencia de los asistentes al Eisteddfod de los Mineros en el Gran Pabellón de Porthcawl el 5 de octubre de 1957? El artículo de Jeff Sparrow solo afirma que "había quizás 5.000 personas". Como se afirma que la capacidad actual de la Sala Principal es de 643, la cifra de 5.000 parece inflada e inherentemente inverosímil, incluso si la transmisión se transmitió simultáneamente a los reunidos en la sala menor del sótano. Ntmr ( discusión ) 11:22 3 abr 2024 (UTC) [ responder ]